Tartary aka Tartaria - an Empire hidden in history. It was bigger than Russia once...

KorbenDallas said:

love for homeland and people

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people's love for homeland

I can tell you what they are so desperate to hide: A horrific cataclysm decimated Tartaria - the decimation began in 1812 and continued into 1816 - many other regions of our Earth were destroyed in that time, including the Caribbean, South Asia, Egypt, and various parts of Europe, the UK, etc. - but most of the destruction was in Asia.

In early 1700, most of North America was decimated by a cataclysm, much of Latin America and all of the Antarctic regions were destroyed.

Prior to those two cataclysms, a series of smaller cataclysms decimated the Mediterranean regions, the Middle East and South Asia.

The parasites that control our world don't want the public to know about these cataclysms - they want the public to think most of the colossal tsunami waves and the eruptions of the supervolcanoes were "hundreds of thousands of years ago" or "millions of years ago" - but the top 10 major cataclysms were all in the past 600 years and in terms of loss of life and destruction of land, the great flood of Genesis doesn't even make the top 10.

There is a huge number of surviving images of the imperial banner of Great Tartary with the image of a black griffin on a yellow background. It is important that there are two flags of Tartary: one is the emperor's flag, the second is simply Tartary; the colors of the flags were black and yellow. There are collections of sea flags of the world, the so-called. flag tables, flag books. The most famous is "The Book of Flags" by the Dutch cartographer and geographer Karl Allard (Carel Allard, 1648-1709; published in Amsterdam in 1705, in Moscow in 1709). There are a lot of tables with the imperial flag of Tartary, with Tartar flags - a lot: Kiev 1709, Amsterdam 1710, 1724 from Homann Flaggen, Nuremberg 1750 (three flags), Paris 1750, Augsburg 1760, England 1783, Paris 1787, English table 1783 ...

I have heard that the double-headed eagle was the official emblem of the great Kahn, there is talk of representations of the double-headed eagle even in America, before the conquest. On the other hand, we have this flag of the tap that appears in several catalogs of national flags.

• What came first?
• What is the chronological order of both flags?​

On the other hand I hear Fomenko say that Russia was actually Rome and they were the kings of kings alongside the Golden Horde (Tartary) and the Ottoman Empire.
That there were 5 Romans.

• First Rome: Egypt, Gypsy-Roman Empire or The First Rome.
• Second Rome: Yoros, Zar-Grad (city of the Tsar), Troy, Constantinople, Istanbul.
• Third Rome: Rus, Yaroslav, Veliky Novgorod, Ancient Rome.
• Fourth Rome: Medieval Constantinople, Tsar Grad, Ottoman Turkish, Istanbul.
• Fifth Rome: Moscow.​

Who had the command? The Russians or The Tartars? Could someone clarify things for me?

According to the shield of Saint George the Russian shield, it is interpreted as that Russia defeats the Tartars.
Something similar to what could be interpreted with the Chained Unicorn of Great Britain, Wales still carries the Griffin (Dragon) on its flag.

I am trying to look at the Tartarian information you have provided earlier. I have the emails and notifications about the thread, but when I click, they do not exist?? Is this the real Dallas Korben???

I certainly hope so. Here are all the articles about Tartary:

• Tartary olim Scythia

And when you get to close to the truth they start a smear campaign.

This is the picture of the fall of Tartary according to Fomenko's chronology:

• Moscow Tartary originated in the middle reaches of the Volga from Nizhny Novgorod. Thus, Moscow was not far from the border with Moscow Tartary. The city of Tobolsk was declared its capital, the name TOBOL was underlined on various maps. A reminder that in the medieval Bible Russia was referred to as ROSH, MESHEKH and TUBAL, i.e. Ros, Moscow and TOBOL. Moscow Tartary encompassed the Urals, Siberia, Central Asia, the Far East, Alaska and North America.
• According to the maps of the XVIII century, the border with Moscow Tatarstan was very close. Such a dangerous proximity was of great concern to the Romanovs. It is possible that this was the reason why Peter the Great made the decision to move the capital farther to the marshy shores of the Gulf of Finland. Here the new capital was built - St. Petersburg. This location was convenient for the Romanovs. Now the capital was far away from Hordia's Tartary. Moreover, in the event of an invasion of the Siberian-American Horde, it would be easier to flee to the west from St. Petersburg than from Moscow. For some reason, however, they did not fear the invasion of the sea to the west and quickly embarked to Western Europe, with friends and relatives, to the historic homeland of the house of Romanov.

Suvorov was apparently the one who actually defeated Pugachev. It turns out that A. Suvorov's distinguished title of "Count of Rymnik" is not related to the geographical name of "Rymnik" in Romania, which, as we have discovered, appeared on the map only AFTER Suvorov's victories, but with the ancient name of Yaik River (now the Ural River). It can be seen from old maps that Yaik also used to have a second name, now forgotten: Rymnik [ShEK].


The war against 'Pugachev', as it is known today, is a pure invention of the victors: the Romanovs. The "Pugachev rebellion" was a brutal war between Romanov Russia and the Siberian-American Russian state.

• The Tartar Russia with its capital at Tobolsk, very close to Sibir, another place mentioned as the capital of Tartary and where Attila gathered his army.
• This Kingdom of Tobolsk preserved the ancient customs of the Russian Horde and had its own Tsar with his capital at Tobolsk. The Siberian tsar was hostile towards the Romanovs, considering them as illegitimate rulers of the western part of Russia.
• The Romanovs strove to possess the Siberian Muscovybium at all costs.
• They understood very well that the Russian people in general did not support them and many would prefer the Tobolsk regime to the Romanovs' St. Petersburg.
• That is why the Romanovs made the very existence of their Siberian neighbor a national secret.

At the end of the 18th century, a major war began between Romanov Russia and Siberian Moskow. At first, Ottoman Turkey marched as an ally of Tobolsk. The Romanovs found themselves in a difficult position: they had to fight on two fronts at once. However, on July 10, 1774, after a series of defeats, Turkey signed the Peace Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca with the Romanovs that marked its defeat. Essentially, it betrayed its ally, the Tsar of Tobolsk. Seizing this opportunity in 1774, the Romanovs urgently mobilized their troops from the Turkish front to the Eastern Front. AV Suvorov, who had recently distinguished himself in battles with the Turks, was at the head of these troops.



Commander-in-Chief of the Eastern Front, defeated the Siberian army of 'Pugachev'. A. Suvorov personally summoned captured 'Pugachev'. He was later taken to Moscow and executed there, after claiming that he was a common Cossack who had rebelled against the legitimate rulers, the Romanovs. Most likely it was in fact a common Cossack who was taken for execution, but not the real warlord of Siberia. It is possible that he was called 'Pugachev'. The true identity of the Siberian leader was probably kept secret by the Romanovs.


Most likely after their defeat, the remnants of the royal court in Tobolsk and their loyal troops fled to China, where they were warmly welcomed by the Manchurian Emperors, the distant relatives of the Hordian Tsars of Tobolsk (I feel that this is where the part about the fall of the Qing dynasty begins).

The Manchus are those "Mongols", Russians and Tatars, who in the 17th century fled from the Romanovs.


After the fall of Pugachev, the disorder reached America where the USA would take advantage of this weakening. During the North American War of Independence in 1775-1798 an independent state was formed: the United States. And here we realize that it shrinks surprisingly with the end of the war with 'Pugachev' in Russia.

• 'Pugachev' was crushed in 1775. Everything falls into place.

"'The War of Independence' in North America was the fight against the weakening of the Russian Horde. The Romanovs attacked the Horde from the west. And from the east America was attacked by the Americans "fighting for independence". Today we are told that the Americans supposedly fought for their "independence from Britain". In fact, it was a battle for the partitioning of the vast American land of the Tatar left of Moscow without any central administration. Not to miss the partition, U.S. troops were eager to reach the west and northwest. George Washington became the first president of the United States in 1776.

• The war between the United States and the remnants of the Horde continued into the second half of the 19th century.
• Alaska, which remained Russian for a particularly long time, was "bought" from the Romanovs by the Americans only in 1867.
• Thus, the United States was established in 1776 from the American split from the "Mongol" Empire.

Here I remembered the thread where you talk about an alliance between the US and Russia in the middle of the civil war to prevent France and Great Britain from getting into it, now I understand why the Russian Tsar supported Lincoln and not the Confederates. By the way, didn't I read something about the out of series armament for this time or does that come in another Fomenko's book?


According to Fomenko both the cross, the crescent moon and the Star of David made one and the same religion.

• The crescent moon with a star is an ancient symbol of Zar-Grad.
• It owes its origin to the brightness of the star of Bethlehem and the solar eclipse associated with the Nativity of Christ and the crucifixion of Andronicus Christ.
• Today, the crescent moon with a star is perceived exclusively as a Muslim symbol.
• However, until the end of the 17th century, a crescent moon with a star adorned, for example, the spire of the huge Christian St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna.
• The crescent moon was removed from the spire (and replaced with a cross) only in 1685.
• A star inscribed in a crescent moon was a form of the Christian cross. It turns out that a cross with a crescent moon on the domes of Russian cathedrals and a Turkish crescent moon with a star, symbolizing a cross, are just the VARIOUS FORMS OF THE SAME CHRISTIAN SYMBOL!
• The universal symbol of the Great Empire took on a slightly different form in Russia and Turkey.
• When the Empire fragmented in the 17th century, the Christian cross remained with the Christians and the Christian crescent moon with a star with the Muslims.
• The Christian six-pointed star - with the Jews.

Western Europe, the epicenter of the rebellion, does everything possible not to allow even the possibility of the restoration of the Great Empire.

• Not being able to overcome it through a military route, Western politicians emphasized diplomatic work.
• They wanted to divide the former union of Russia and the Ottoman Empire (Atamania), and pit them against each other.
• Recall that Russia and the Ottoman Empire until the 17th century c. were parts of the same state. In particular, the Zaporizhian Cossacks moved freely between Russia and Turkey, serving in turn the tsar or the sultan, without considering such changes treacherous.
• In the end, Russian-Turkish relations went sour, but not in the least for religious reasons. In Russia, before the Romanovs, Muslims were not persecuted and Russian Orthodox were not persecuted in the Ottoman Empire.
• But as soon as the Romanov regime became stronger, wars with Turkey began, which lasted for intervals during the 300 years of the Romanov reign. It was for the purpose of ideological support of these wars that the slogan "archetypal religious discord" was introduced between the two countries.
• Let us recall that the famous Turkish janissaries, the elite infantry units that formed the domestic troops of the Ottoman Sultan, consisted mainly of Slavs from the Balkans. The popular belief, that they were supposedly "taken captive as infants," is not accurate. As in Russia at the time, conscription of a tenth of the population into the Cossack army was a legal 'tagma', a part of national service, similar rules probably applied in the Ottoman Empire. 'Taken captive' has nothing to do with it.

The struggle of the Reformation of the 16th-17th centuries cc. with the splinters of the Horde Empire is very well illustrated by the annihilation of the Cathars in France. The history of the Cathars is one of the most impressive and mysterious chapters of the Middle Ages.

• Supposedly in the X-XI cc. in Western Europe and in particular in France, a new Christian movement arose, whose adherents were known as the Cathars (Cathars) and also the Albigensians (or Albigeois).
• The religion of the Cathars is thought to have been Christian.
• However, it differs from orthodox Christianity and modern-day Catholicism in its details. It was declared heretical.
• It is believed that the Cathar heresy spread widely and met with opposition from the Catholic Church. In the first half of the 13th century, supposedly, crusades were organized against the Cathars.
• They fought tooth and claw, but were defeated, their mighty fortresses destroyed.

The Cathars are the Scythians from the Volga River, who came to France in the 14th century from Russia-Horde during the Mongol conquest.

• They settled here and, like the colonizers, created the ruling class.
• Their religion was Christian.
• At the time of the Empire of the XIV-XVI centuries, Cathars = Scythians, who had partially mixed with the local population, created a unique culture, built cities, cathedrals and fortresses, some of which are still called Cathars.

I think the history Fomenko put together is great, what technology would these men have had to build architectural works of art... it seems that Fomenko gives us a picture of much destruction and wars, construction then was not a problem for these people even in the midst of war...he doesn't mention the giant people although clearly the buildings speak for themselves, I am surprised too, how well his narrative fits several things.

That was a great write up to read @HELLBOY. Appreciate it. I'm taking a little brake from the Russian historical mess right now. Well, that mess belongs to quite a few current nations, imho.

Collectively, we struggle to identify who Pugachev was, and what Suvorov's true role in all of that was.

KorbenDallas said:

American Tartary​

The jury is still out on this one, but there are some indicators that Tartary was present on the North American continent as well. There obviously are no official historical accounts, but some bits and pieces of info suggest just that.

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Soft disclosure in Gone with the Wind (1939)?

In the first chapter of One World Tartarians by James W. Lee, OWT by James Lee, He describes old world Tartaria in north america. He shows how the romanov new world order destroyed the tartarians with energy weapons. They fought the tartarians in russia and america at the same time defeating them in 1776 thus establishing the new world order. He also believes tartaria in america was composed of islamic black moors and india folks that built the tartarian masterpieces. He claims the romanovs rewrote history.

I think the great flood that wiped out the old world happened recently like near bc/ad. I think the tartarian structures were built by a hybrid species of fallen angel and human. They had free energy and magnificant architecture but became arrogant using their power for evil. These nephilim were killed by judgement from GOD. After the flood the few survivors repopulated the earth and repurposed the old world antiqua-tech. The world has been various competing factions and false narratives to hide these facts. All history is a lie. These NWO controllers concocted heleocentrism and control all world governments and all propaganda. False science teaches us we are alone and random. We are in fact a beautiful creation by GOD given a garden of eden fishbowl with the keys to the kingdom at our fingertips.

Wil-I-am said:

In the first chapter of One World Tartarians by James W. Lee, OWT by James Lee, He describes old world Tartaria in north america. He shows how the romanov new world order destroyed the tartarians with energy weapons.

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I should probably read this book. Hope there is something in there to materially substantiate claims like this. We all know that something happened, but to bring in energy weapons and the clan of Romanovs, one would need some serious evidence. If these claims are not backed by some verifiable sources, they would end up hurting the entire research community.

• @Wil-I-am, it sounds like you did read the book. Where is his info from?

James W. Lee in One World Tartarians in chapter one said, "USA Let’s go back to the question of when and how the USA was established. ‘During the War of independence of North America in 1775-1798… an independent state – the USA was formed’ [797], p.1232. And here we realise, that it SURPRISINGLY COINCIDES WITH THE END OF THE WAR WITH ‘PUGACHEV’ IN RUSSIA. ‘Pugachev’ was crushed in 1775. Everything falls into place. ‘The War of independence’ in North America was the struggle with the weakening Russian Horde. The Romanovs attacked the Horde from the West. And from the East in America - it was attacked by the Americans ‘fighting for independence’. Today we are told that the Americans purportedly fought for their ‘independence from Britain’. In fact it was a battle for the parceling of the vast American land of Moscow Tartary left without any central administration. In order not to miss the carve-up, the American troops were eager to get to the West and North-West. George Washington became the first president of the USA in 1776 [796], p.1232. It appears that he became the first new ruler in the American lands of the Russian Horde. The facts of the war with the ‘Mongol’ Horde were wiped clean from the pages of the textbooks on the American history. As was the fact of the existence of Moscow Tartaria on the whole. The war between the USA and the remains of the Horde continued up until the second half of the 19th century. Alaska, which remained Russian for a particularly long time, was ‘bought’ from the Romanovs by the Americans only in 1867 [797], p.1232. Thus, the USA was established in 1776."

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I assumed you read the book since he dedicated it to Anatoly Fomenko, I am reading it for the second time. I could have read it wrong, I am not a scholar, actually I would rather watch a movie or play guitar than read, I am more of an artist.

After I finish up the article I'm currently working on, I will read this book. A little break won't hurt

Latest John Levi . As usual John Levi knocks it out of the park, about crystal palace and message of hope.

Wil-I-am said:

In the first chapter of One World Tartarians by James W. Lee, OWT by James Lee, He describes old world Tartaria in north america. He shows how the romanov new world order destroyed the tartarians with energy weapons. They fought the tartarians in russia and america at the same time defeating them in 1776 thus establishing the new world order. He also believes tartaria in america was composed of islamic black moors and india folks that built the tartarian masterpieces. He claims the romanovs rewrote history.

I think the great flood that wiped out the old world happened recently like near bc/ad. I think the tartarian structures were built by a hybrid species of fallen angel and human. They had free energy and magnificant architecture but became arrogant using their power for evil. These nephilim were killed by judgement from GOD. After the flood the few survivors repopulated the earth and repurposed the old world antiqua-tech. The world has been various competing factions and false narratives to hide these facts. All history is a lie. These NWO controllers concocted heleocentrism and control all world governments and all propaganda. False science teaches us we are alone and random. We are in fact a beautiful creation by GOD given a garden of eden fishbowl with the keys to the kingdom at our fingertips.

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Just today, I was watching a video from a Spanish language channel called: Revelacion Humana
It talks about how even today the Russians have tesla towers, it compares them to temples. He says how in the state of Texas where he lives they have one and therefore he does not doubt that the Russians have one too. He thinks they will be used once again as needed. He literally compares the pyramid and the tesla tower.
His explanation is based on the Aryan race, which is divided into different factions, the Illuminati would have always been in Europe and another faction would be the Tartars, considered as the dirty ones by the other faction due to the fact that the Tartars did not mind mixing with other races.
He tells that Gengiskhan was brought a woman a day and impregnated her.
He speaks of Aryans founding cultures: Gengiskahn, Quetzalcoatl, etc.
As the Aryan Illuminati consider themselves pure and see the Tartars as dirty, they start with their tactics of manipulation of the word, that is to say, they paint images, make us laugh, cry, etc. The word has power in the human mind.
They start with the meaning of tartary to be hell, they are the dirty Aryans. The word mongol for people with mental retardation or slow learning. The word bulgar which comes from bulgaria to define you as rude people, dirty, etc. In other words, it is a mind control.
I'm talking about the way Hitler behaved in the war with respect to the Russians being also Aryans but he considered them different from them, they were dirty Aryans. Something that did not make sense militarily, why did he go to the Russians at the same time as the European Illuminati? he wanted to destroy the Tartars and Jews.
I see how everyone has a way of looking at history, and I wanted to comment to share this idea.

delete please, i didnt realize sum1 else posted the link to James E. Lees free ebook

KorbenDallas said:

Today, we have certain appearance related stereotypes. I think we are very much off there. It looks like Tartary was multi-religious, and multi-cultural. One of the reasons I think so is the tremendous disparity between what leaders like Genghis Khan, Batu Khan, Timur aka Tamerlane looked like to the contemporary artists vs. the appearance attributed to them today.

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I found these sketches on the internet from the '60s URSS (around the same time of the CIA report?) which show the appearance of various ethnicities (or races, as they were called from ancient times before the politically correct became a thing). Here the Tatars (not Tartars) have a Lenin appearance, imo.

Good grief... I thought Lenin was a Jew. Now he is a Tartar? Wait! Aren't black Americans also Tartars, I mean, Moors.... All Turks and Uzbeks are bald? Why not compare genitals?

Could it be that your source is just plain Soviet?

I wager that the Soviets wanted such a collection of races/ethnicities to maintain their divide and rule program over the refugees of the the past.

I resent that you imply I'm politically correct for criticizing your argument. That said, maybe there is something to the ethnic/race differences that goes way back and is related to families and marriage patterns, For instance, all the Napoleon-like gods appear Phonetician. Long straight snout, etc.. But why does it matter to this discussion? We don't even know who really did what to whom and when. Based on our current circumstances, mind control and weapons are far more important than fixing differences. Differences melt away when we realize that the enemy might not be human-- in any usual sense.